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  1. André says:

    Shouldn’t it be 8+2 HP/Priest level as only the fighter gets the +3 and +4 exceptional constitution bonus? Beyond this interrogation, I pretty much agree with you.

    As a side question when can we expect to see a Demihuman ‘missing’ God?

    • AuldDragon says:

      Avatars get Warrior Constitution bonuses, per the rules in Faiths & Avatars.

      As for the missing Demihuman deities, it will be a while, unfortunately. I’m not a very fast writer, and I’m finding it easier to remain cohesive when I focus on groups of deities/pantheons.

  2. Sorry for posting this semi-randomly here, but I’ve got a question regarding PoR. You (humorously) demonstrated the consequence of maxing out all stats to 18 or 25.

    My question: Does it make any difference if you only max out the relevant stats? E.g. maxing out STR, DEX and CON for everyone but giving fighters INT and WIS 3?

  3. Barastir says:

    Don’t you think those monster avatars are only relevant if the monster’s stats can’t be translated adequately into a class? Another musing: don’t you think Tiamat (and Bahamut would follow) don’t have monster stats because she has a form that is human to congregate human worshippers?

    • AuldDragon says:

      It’s more a question of power. A dragon or a giant has a LOT of hit points, often easily more than a high level, high constitution fighter. A god who is manifests as, and identifies strongly with, one of these types of creatures should be more powerful than a one who manifests as a human, kobold, or the like. You can see this included in the elemental lords and Null in Cult of the Dragon. I’d guess that it just didn’t occur to Eric Boyd when he did Tiamat, but I don’t know for sure. Either way, I do think it SHOULD be applied to her, and I will eventually be revising my entry on her.

  4. Barastir says:

    Are avatars still subject to class level cap when calculating hit points? I ttought it didn’t apply, and if so, having high level in warrior classes would actually be an advantage to a power.

    • AuldDragon says:

      Yes, they are still subject to the hit dice cap. An avatar that is a 20th level fighter only gets 9d10 Hit Dice, then +3 for each level after that. They always get the warrior hit point bonus for high Constitution and max hit points per die, but that only goes so far. The Giants and Dragons should have more hit points for monster hit dice (although Constitution bonuses don’t apply to those numbers) IMO.

  5. Barastir says:

    I’ve actually calculated my avatars’ HP using these calculation, including the level cap, I just didn’t remember doing it some years ago. Checking Null’s avatar in Cult of the Dragon I haven’t found the logic behind its HP total, though, for although its descriptions says great wyrm shadow dracolich, its classes come just after that. Gotta figure it out.

    • AuldDragon says:

      I think the bonus hit points for the higher level cleric class was forgotten or something. Not all of the hit points across all of the books are correct (the Elemental Lords are off too in F&A). The hit points for the Cleric class with the Con bonus and the Great Wyrm Hit Dice comes to 214, which +2 for the Wizard classes makes 216.

  6. Barastir says:

    Got it. I’ve done version which would give him less HP (by priorizing the dragon HD without the CON bonuses), but most of the other calcularions I made (considering the 9 levels of cleric and then his dragon HD until he reaches great wyrm status) would end up with a lot more HP than the listed in the book.

    • AuldDragon says:

      Were you adding hit points for all of the dragon hit dice? You’d only add those in excess of the cleric. You’d start with the 9d8+Con Bonus for the cleric, then 11d8 with no Con bonus for the 20-HD great wyrm shadow dragon (the first 9 are superceded by the cleric hit dice), then +16 for the high level cleric (up to 28; this is what I believe was forgotten), then +2 for the additional two wizard levels. So that would be 126 (Cleric) + 88 (dragon) = 214; +2 from the wizard gets 216. There should be another +16 there though.

      • Barastir says:

        This is the calculation I made that ended up with more HP for the avatar. It would be 9 levels of cleric, plus 11 of dragon (214 hp), plus 2 hp per level of cleric until level 28, (i. e. plus 16 hp), plus the 2 levels of wizard (2 hp), for a total of 232 hp.

        • AuldDragon says:

          Yeah, that’s correct; it’s not a big enough difference to matter much, and a number of the avatar HP are slightly off from where they should be in the various books. I’m pretty sure the avatar stats were not checked over for accuracy, mainly because there was an expectation no one would really use them.

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